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, and we're back with more on the high stakes negotiations over the fiscal cliff. speaker john boehner says he's eager to sit down with the president now that republicans have put forward what he called a middle ground proposal. but that's not quite how white house spokesman jay carney sees the offer. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> let's get right to our panel now. in philadelphia is professor james peterson. in washington msnbc contributor dr. jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities and a former economist for vice president joe biden. jared, if i might start with you, speaker boehner says he put forward a middle ground proposal. no tax increases for the healthiest of americahealthy est of americans, yet he wants to rage the eligibility of medicare and he wants to slash billions from every program. if that's a middle ground proposal, i would rather have the paul ryan budget but maybe they're the same thing. >> i was thinking what do
hikes during fiscal cliff negotiations. congressman boehner is starting a news conference that is scheduled to start any hour now. >>> also, we could hear president obama's response to speaker boehner's offer. he is is publicly pushing his plan to raise taxes on the wealthiest of americans. we'll bring that to you 50 minutes from now. >>> lawmakers are listening to responses of superstorm sandy. they are going to demand more funds for the cleanup. this is the third of four hearings scheduled. >>> and in houston, a history making mission to the international space station. scott kelly, the american astronaut, will speak about his next launch. if all goes as planned, it will set the longest record for a space mission for an american. we'll see what he's saying. "newsroom" starts right now. >>> good morning. thank you so much for being with us. i'm carol costello. this should be interesting. speaker john boehner is meeting with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise 8$800 million in fiscal cliff negotiations. we're expecting a news conference any minute now
the fiscal cliff. geithner, boehner, and reid and any little nugget of information we get there continues to whip saw the market. don't expect any changes tomorrow or really next week until we get more clarity on that situation. the up shot of that is companies continue to make these special dividends, borrowing cheap in the bond market in many cases and continue to pay these dividends before the end of the year. >> all right. we'll be watching that. darren, you're up. 30 seconds on the clock. >> i'm looking at the euro. looking for the pullback to the 129.50 level. i do think we're going to hold that level and push higher. that will push risk assets higher as well. i'm looking for a consolidation of the s&p overnight. once we get through chicago purchasing managers, i think we're going to reverse to the up side. we'll end the week on a strong note. again, it will be whippy with headline to headline. i don't think we're going to get many headlines into the weekend. >> all right. thanks so much. last but not least, peter, you're up. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to look at? >>
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not offer a counterproposal to the fiscal cliff deal the president presented. boehner offered a proposal yesterday. i asked cole if he's frustrated with john boehner. >> no, not in the least. look, i support the speaker. and we're actually not very far apart on anything. and, you know, at the end of the day, he's going to negotiate a deal. it will probably be a challenging vote for a lot of people. i always support him. i would expect i will again and try and persuade others. just to be clear, i'm not for raising taxes on anybody. i think it's a mistake. i think all republicans believe that. however, you have to recognize the reality that at the end of the month, tax rates for every american that pays income tax are going to go up. so there is an area that we do agree with the president on. that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agr
't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff proposal. three-page letter with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire house republican leadership signed on to the so-called fiscal cliff proposal letter. they're not serious about negotiating. i don't know the right wing and the tea party of who the republican party is nowadays but it's impossible to have a deal with one side refuses to compromise even after losing. they will not accept their own defeat. >> right. >> and that is the problem. >> a.b. let's play what congressman walter jones had to say on this boehner purge. i have the full screen of what he had to say when several members were removed as identified not being team players. he says, i w
cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in in way that will affect your spending, lifes
as democrats and republicans dig in and ramp up the rhetoric on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid trading jabs before the cameras on capitol hill. >> going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan lothian. dan, we're learning more about the white house plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. break it down for us. >> reporter: right. this is the plan that secretary -- treasury secretary timothy geithner took up to capitol hill yesterday. it calls for $1.6 trillion in tax increases over a ten-year period more than republicans had anticipated. in addition to that, $400 billion in spending cuts that will
cheer stops right there. as john boehner fights over the fiscal cliff with democrats and the president, he is cracking down now on some house conservatives that he thinks are a bit too free spirited. john boehner kicked two republicans off the house budget committee. he got rid of another two on the financial services committee. all four voted against the 2011 debt ceiling deal. the two on the budget committee voted against paul ryan's budget. the chairman of the budget committee. speaker boehner issued these punishments with the full support of the republican leadership including the majority leader eric cantor and majority whip kevin mccarthy. jonathan capehart, this is fascinating. i am interpreting this as a positive thing for president obama and the democrats in an attempt to at some point either before or after going off the cliff, reaching some kind of deal with boehner. what boehner's message seems to be to these conservatives willing to vote for something because it is not conservative enough. i need better team players if i'm going to walk back from the white house with a dea
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after discouraging words from washington on the state of the fiscal cliff. this time it was house speaker boehner speaking with reporters after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. eamon javers is in washington with the latest. eamon, the sentiment down here is these guys should stop talking and start crafting a deal. >> reporter: that's the sentiment here in the hallways of capitol hill as well, sue. i can tell you that. we are starting to get a little more clarity on what's going on here today. i just had the chance just a few moments ago to button-hole senator harry reid here in the hallway, asking him a very specific question. i said did treasury secretary tim geithner come up here with a new specific offer for republicans? is that what he laid down on the table for speaker john boehner today? reid told me -- no, there was no specific offer here today from geithner to the republican side. he said that the president of the united states made the democrats' over two weeks ago and there's been no new specific offer since then. i think that explains a little bit of why we
own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> speaker boehner doesn't want to propose spending cuts, so now he's trying to pressure the white house to do it. >> there's been no serious discussion of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there's a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. >> a reporter asked senate majority leader harry reid about speaker boehner's comments. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> and, of course, another day more republicans dumping grover norquist. among nebraska and is iowa republicans, most of them told the world herald this week they could support a broad budget agreement, even if the deal ends up including higher tax revenues. i won't have a problem with letting those tax rates go up, representative mike simpson said to reuters. but new york congressman chr
after this lunch took place, the president offered a tough fiscal cliff proposal to congress, one that aides to john boehner say -- wait for it -- he's already rejected. of course he has. joining me to talk about all things politics, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and ross douthat. how many seconds was it, do you think, gentlemen, let me start with you, frank, before john boehner rejected out of hand president obama's attempt to try and do a fiscal cliff deal? >> with $1.6 trillion in new taxes, i think probably half a second. >> when you see the apparent attempt at a bipartisan lunch going on today between obama and romney, it was all very sweet and everything, the reality is the picture was about as uncomfortable as the relationship is between the two sides, and again, frank, how do we get to a better place in washington? how do we get these guys to realize, let me throw this at you. i interviewed mike tyson an hour ago. fantastic interview in many ways. what i found really fascinating and relevant to this, he talks about when he goes back to the streets he grew up in in
both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is out front. and julian assange is out front to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "out front." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad ti tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present,
, and mitch mcconnell laughs, and boehner says it's terrible. there's a fiscal cliff, and this offer isn't good. show me the money, folks. you have the power. you're bragging about the fact that you kept the house. good. show us your offer. put down your offer. now, here's my view on this. and it is the same as the president's in this respect. rough the biggest aspects of the fiscal cliff is the fact that tax rates are going to go up on all americans. the senate has passed a bill that would give the middle class 98% of the people their tax cut. it is done. it's in a package. it's sitting at our desk. and all that has to happen is for the house to take it up. the only reason they're not taking it up is they want millionaires and billionaires to get their taxes cut, too. and this was a big issue in the campaign, thomas. so why don't we, instead of throwing insults, why don't they just pick up and pass that part as their own republican, tom cole suggested, let's have some good faith here, and we'll hammer out the rest of it. >> so senator, one thing you say about show me the money, if we ta
at bloomberg and talked about the republican offer from speaker boehner on the fiscal cliff resolution. he said it was out of balance because the speaker has not agreed to rate increases but the president identified a two-step process by which he is hoping still to reach an agreement before the end of the year, if he can get republicans to give on the top rate. he said that first of all, we can't do a fundamental tax reform in the next two weeks. we simply have to have a down payment before the end of the year and then commit to tax and entitlement reform during the year of 2013. he also specified, and i think this is significant, that he thought 300 to $400 billion over ten years is about what you could raise by closing loopholes and trimming deductions. this is a -- this is a way to come to grips with how to get to the revenue target the president wants. let's first of all listen to -- we have got a piece of sound from that interview. let's listen to the president. >> when you look at how much revenue you can actually raise by closing loopholes and deductions, it's probably in the range of $3
's comments on the fiscal cliff were a huge favor to speaker john boehner. >>> plus, our news nation gut check. this congress is on track to becoming least productive class since the '40s. do you think the next congress will get anything more done? check us out on our news nation tumbler page. you'll find behind the scenes pictures you're looking for. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. let's fix dinner. >>> president obama and mitt romney met today for a private lunch at the white house. their first meeting since they traded barbs in a contentious election. romney has been keeping a pretty low profile in the three weeks since the election. he has made no public appearances. there you see him. unlike losing candidates in the past, he had no job in washington to return to. nbc's kristen welker live at the white house. let's get into this. the
stories. >>> president obama and house speaker john boehner chatting by phone about the fiscal cliff. no details or word of progress or future talks with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done. another prominent republican is breaking ranks. tom coburn, a leading conservative and fiscal hawk saying he'd prefer raising taxes on the wealthy as a way to raise revenues. >>> a bitter turf war between twitter and instagram elle cl escalating. no one on twitter will be able to see the images posted on instagram. instagram's goal is getting people to post more photos on their site. >>> a man cannot have any more children until he shows proof that he can actually afford those children. 44-year-old corey curtis is charged with failure to support two of the nine children that he's fathered with six women. he owes $85,000 and says he is ready to abide by the judge's order. >> good idea. >> all right. the grammy nominations announced in style with a star-studded concert, jay z and kanye west were among the six artists tied for the most nominations, six apiece. the grammy awards ceremony, music
on wall street. stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> republicans know where we stand. we've said it, we've said it, we've said it so many times. >> i think all of us today are confident we can reach a bipartisan agreement by christmas time. >> according to congressional republican aides, they say they have obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here. at least $50 billion in new spending. >> do you have faith in any of them to rise above? >> would it be okay to go over? >> we will rise above. >> morgan stanley wealth management's chief investment strategist up next with his list of winners and losers. plus, how you can make money in these shaky markets as the year winds down. >>> later, as lawsuits pile up and hewlett-packard stock suffers, carly fiorina will join me for her first interview since the autonomy disaster came to light. wait until you hear who she says deserves the blame. >>> also, social security an
speaker, john boehner, both expressing optimism on those fiscal cliff negotiations in washington. the dow rallied 100 points yesterday off of those comments. how many times have you heard me say congress will mess it up. >>> goldman sachs ceo met with the president and others yesterday for those fiscal cliff talks. listen to what he told wolf blitzer when asked if taxes should be raised on those making more than $250,000 a year. if that's what it takes to make the math work when you look at entitlement side and revenue side, i wouldn't preclude that. of course we would have to do that if the numbers drive that way. >> he said america can't afford itself right now the way we're going. fiscal cliff talks today continue with geithner making the rounds on capitol hill. later this morning, third quarter gdp expected to be revised higher. economists expect gdp for july to september to be revised from 2% to 2.8%. that would be good news. this is still modest growth. everyone hopes that next year will be a better year than this one in terms of growth. you want to see more than 2.5% growth consist
charming, engaging, how winning is that demeanor, is it at all, in dealing with john boehner and the fiscal cliff? >> i think they're kind of past all that at this point, right? i mean, i don't think the demeanor's really going to help at this point. they've been through this -- they've done this dance before. most of the players who are involved in this negotiation are the same players that were involved in the negotiation that happened in the summer of 2011 over the debt ceiling. and so these guys know each other pretty well by now, and i think the president and john boehner, even after all of that, still have a reasonable working relationship. but i think that the president's people have made a very clear calculation, they decided that they tried a way of negotiating in 2011 which was to be what they think of as reasonable. to come in and say, put your cards on the table. this is where we think a good deal will end up. $3 in spending cuts for $1 in tax increases. here's a bunch of medicare cuts on sbilentitlement. show your hand. this is what the president's willing to do. meet me here i
with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan managed to solve problems and get along. listen to what john mccain said about what we need here. >> it's time now to sit across the table from one another, rather than -- in the way they did with ronald reagan and the way you get things done in washington. >> the way they did with ronald reagan and get things done in washington. you sit together and figure it out. they were at a holiday party they didn't talk to each other. they're issuing sort of statements and rebuttals and saying i'm not going to budge. >> negotiation by press release. this is not how things get done in washington and part of the problem of the growing incivility in washington. people don't work together the way th
blame. should we put any stock in that kind of polling about the fiscal cliff or do people not know b. enough about it and that's not influencing what's go on between john boehner, president obama, mitch mcconnell and the other folk on the hill? >> they probably have more awareness than some can imagine. but having said that, it not where it is now, it's when you get to the end when people saw what the options were and the choices were, and then they decide who they think either helped or didn't help. that's sort of the critical moment. at this point, i -- the public wanted to see this resolved is where they're at the this point. >> right. and i always say, polling at this point given how little people know about the specifics of what could go into any deal, we don't have a deal, but if we did, may not be worth all that much. go ahead. >> again, one last thing. that's what's being negotiated at this point what are the specifics that go into it so people can pass judgment on it. >> i want to go to you, we've all been through this before, i feel like this is here we go again. >> here we
for these massive spending cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing around that vi
observation on the ongoing talks in washington over the fiscal cliff. reporting in the last half an hour that speaker boehner and the white house are finally resuming negotiations. albeit at staff levels, but it's a start. and i have a suspicion we might see more progress soon. you see, finally lawmakers are motivated. unfortunately, i don't think the motivation is to put america on a sustainable fiscal path. i think what's driving them is their scheduled vacations. yes. i really do. now, i know they'd never admit it, but look at the facts. everybody is planning to get out of d.c. for good two weeks from tomorrow, december 21st. including the president who already has an extended hawaii trip planned beginning december 17th. you'd think the fact that every working american's taxes will go up on january 1 without a deal would get them talking or that defense analysts telling us over and over if we go over the cliff, 40,000 jobs will be cut immediately in that sector and that's just lighting the fire for other cuts or widespread beliefs that we will have a serious market selloff and another
, anything, relating to the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think they're coalescing around anything it's for speaker boehner to continue the negotiations and not give a single inch. the gop has done very well over the last few years is in the negotiations with president obama. they've held a hard line to the very end including during the debt limit where john boehner is allowed to say he got 98% of what he wanted. what you have to look for is the splinter that tom cole started last week, heard mr. chris toll say about how the president has an effective bully pulpit he can go around the country and say 98% of americans with a tax cut under my plan, trying to save it for the rich. republicans are coalescing around, if anything, is this idea that in order for the president to move on entitlements, they got to hold this hard line on the bush tax cuts for 250 or above. they don't want any deal that doesn't have to pertain to entitlements. that's why you're seeing the saber rattling that we thought would only be in november continue into december. as of right now there is no clear way forwar
they will break with protocol. with grover norquist and his tax pledge to reach the deal on the fiscal cliff is sticking in solidarity with it. we're asking what he would be willing to compromise on. >> as we mentioned, house speaker boehner and other leadership meeting with treasury secretary geithner. boehner is expected to hold a press conference afterwards at 11:30 a.m. and we will bring it to you live. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ [ male announcer ] 'tis the season to discover the kid in all of us. enjoy free shipping and great values on your holiday shopping from l.l. bean. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. you can st
will go over the fiscal cliff come january 1st, one theory, will make it easier for john boehner and republicans for that matter to vote for higher taxes on the healthy. in other words they would be voting to cut taxes for 98% of americans while allowing them to stay where they are. because remember, after january 1st those bush tax cuts expire. they rise for everybody. again, there are conspiracy theories everywhere. you saw the hardball offer put forward by the white house late in the week on thursday when tim geithner went up to congress and presented it to republicans. mitch mcconnell laughed out loud. $1.6 trillion in new revenues. only $600 billion in cutting spending. this is not what.republicans had in mind. but john boehner can rail against it which will make it easier for john boehner to sell to his conference. i think it's far fetched. i don't think either of these men, president obama or john boehner, want to see this country go off the fiscal cliff. there's obviously too much at stake not only politically but for the lives and welfare of americans. i think that's for
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on the fiscal cliff is just being released. let's go to e-mailen j amon jav >> they say boehner is offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200 billion. and further discretionary savings of $300 billion. guys, it looks like the horse trading is alive and well here in washington. now this offer being extended from the republicans. you can assume that the white house will not think this is enough tax revenue to go forward, but, of course, offers are being exchanged here so that's a sign negotiations are under way, guys. >> let's get into the details here. $600 billion in health savings. what does that mean for medicare? break it down in terms of where these savings come from. >> i wish i could. what we don't have here is a lot of detail hanging off this christmas tree
. always good to be here. >> good to see you again. let's start with the fiscal cliff issue. when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big differen
will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an
that the president has had with speaker boehner with regards to the fiscal cliff. this call, according to a source familiar with it, told me it lasted for 28 minutes. this official saying it was hardly short or curt, as had been reported by some news outlets. and my colleague, jessica yellen, heard from another source that said that the president told speaker boehner that he felt that rates had to go up on wealthy americans and that there would be no deal without that. so clearly, there is still some distance between the two sides here. the president believing that wealthy americans need to pay more. those bush era tax cuts should not extend for them. republicans believing that all americans should benefit from those tax cuts, and that now you should put en titlements on the table. of as we see, the officials from the white house going up to capitol hill today, treasury secretary timothy geithner, to try to hammer out some deals. still, both sides far apart. >> well, i want to talk about that a little bit. there was an article on this morning that said the two sides are farther along
. the fiscal cliff stalemate or n not, we don't know if they can come to an agreement at all. >> john boehner said we are at a stalemate, is that how you would describe things? >> i think we are far apart but we are moving closer together. >> the leading republican predicts doom and gloom. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it is pretty clear to me they have made a political calculation. >> coming up, a conservative host says the whole fiscal cliff is bogus and we should go ahead and let the country fall over that cliff. >>> the kansas city chiefs won their second game of the season today. it was a game that the coaches and owners decided to play even though the team was rocked by the news that one of their own committed suicide shortly after allegedly killing his girlfriend. >> it was very emotional, but you saw brothers stick together, coaches stick together and everybody stayed strong. this is a great team win. >> reporter: do you think the tragedy had something to do with your team playing better today? >> honestly, if we can erase yesterday, that would be a great blessing, but i thi
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
under control in a way that is fair and balanced. >> stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. >> no substantive progress has been made in talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. the white house has to get serious. >> republicans know where we stand. we have said it. we've said it. we've said it so many times. >> i think all of us today are confident we can reach a bipartisan agreement by christmastime. >> according to a congressional republican aides who have talked to "the wall street journal," they obtained a copy of the white house prover here in the negotiations. >> do you have faith in any of them to rise above? >> would it be okay to go over? >> we will rise above. >> eamon javers joins us live from washington. they seem farther apart than ever before. the dow is above 13,000 for the first time in several weeks. do you think the markets are reading comments correctly? >> i do think markets have gotten it wrong a lot this week. they have been reacting strongly to things that are boilerplate information and bas
picture on all of this. they're not going anywhere fast. fiscal cliff is important, but there's a lot of issues for the next several years that are going to be important to the treasury market. once his comments were made, equities got a little volatile. you can see that was it. the treasury traders pretty much stopped trading, and it's been light volume ever since. >> but one issue, i guess, isn't there so much room to disappoint this market? given the fact the it is moving so much on any commentary out of washington, if we go over the fiscal cliff by december 31, is there a big opportunity for this market to sell off? it doesn't seem like it's priced in that we go over. >> maria, if we go over the cliff, sure, we're going to have a reactionary selloff. when you look at the fed now talking about qe-4, economic statistics are getting better, not worse. europe is slow e lily resolving issues. >> that reverses in the first quarter if we go over the cliff. >> it depends how we go over. if we go over for a couple days and they get a deal, it's fine. if this thing really breaks down, sure,
this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. i think it would be irresponsible. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff, because then taxes go up across the board. and then it's got to be done retroactively. >> which is not what the president wants but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the american government has never defaulted on its debt. and now there are some, not the majority of republicans but some on the extreme of the republican party and they seem to be in control, who seem to want to default on our debt. that's crazy. if they cannot be entrusted with the full faith and credit of the united states, they should not have that leverage. >> paul, where were the overtures though? where were the overtures with this deal that was presented? i mean, listen, you don't have to be mensa to know delivering a deal like that was going to make
the fiscal cliff is serious business. i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi quickly dismissed boehner's remarks as a negotiating maneuver. >> i think they'll come around. it's a tactic. it's a tactic. >> reporter: you hear a strikingly similar message from other top democratic leaders saying the ball is in the republican's court. >> we are waiting for some specifics somewhere from our republican colleagues to show that they're serious on negotiations. >> reporter: as the country fast approaches the fiscal cliff, the two sides are talking past each other. democrats say they've laid down their marker, hiking tax rates on wealthier americans. and it's up to republicans to propose specific spending cuts they want to entitlement programs. however, republicans say they've offered a concession, putting revenue on the table. and they say it's now up to the president and his fellow democrats to feel some pain and proposed cuts in medicare and medicaid. confusing? we asked harry reid. >> where is
's language yet when it comes to the fiscal cliff? with just 26 days to go before the country officially goes over the edge, there are reports a growing course of republicans are pressuring house leaders to cave on tax hikes for the wealthy, this following president obama and speaker boehner's first phone call in days with both sides staying mum on the details. this afternoon president obama's fiscal photo-op off the day takes him to the suburban home of a middle class families in virginia, one of the thousands who responded to the
stories. fiscal cliff talks getting ugly. the president is trying to sell his plan. republicans are furious. house speaker john boehner telling reporters the president needs to get serious. >>> former president, george h.w. bush is in stable condition this morning in a houston hospital. he was admitted a week ago and being treated for bronchitis. he's expected to be released in the next few days. he is 88 years old. >>> scientists report the mile thick ice sheets that cover greenland and antarctica are melting. we have lost tons of ice in the last 20 years raising the sea level by 7/16 inch. >>> thursday night football action. falcons in atlanta. they got off to a 17-0 lead before the saints scored a single point. atlanta defense had a good night. five interceptions. falcons go on to win it. they are now 11-1 on the year. atlanta could clench the nfc south if they lose to denver on sunday. >> all right. she's bruised, but not broken. coming up, inside lady liberty for a look at the damage left behind by sandy to see what needs to be done to get this american icon back up and run
would happen if we go over the fiscal cliff. the president is counting on that. >> which republicans? boehner doesn't get -- some of these guys go back to the auto parts shop where they came from before they were a tea party republican, wherever they -- you can't -- it's not a monday know lit. you can't get mad at the house. >> people pointed out some of the republicans were there and congress don't care. >> no, why would they? >> i don't necessarily think president obama cares that much either. his leg legacy is about obamacare, redistribution. and you can't control the economy. you can divide the pie better, but it will have these cycles. bush messed things up. i did the best i could, but he'll redistribute and that will happen, we'll spread the wealth around. and i don't think he cares that much about it. >> you don't think he cares about -- >> his chief of staff during the cry says said you'll be -- this is job one, the crisis. and he go that's not enough. he wants to be transformative. i don't know. we'll see. i asked the first time around why isn't he more concerned with job gr
effect. that could be also, by the way, a fiscal cliff effect. zplint vi >> interviewing secretary geithner later today. what's your first question going to be? >> i want to get his response -- we had the president respond to boehner's proposal but i want to get the secretary's response, too, the specific issue of, hey, the republicans looked like they made a step forward, actually got some accolades in some of the press for agreeing to new revenues. where's the administration's response on that side? are they willing to give? i think that's a key question right now in terms of what the news flow is right now but also there's critical questions about the dollars on both sides of the equation, tyler. >> steve leisman, thank you very much. >>> jim iuorio, i want to ask you the same question i just asked steve. if you were talking to secretary geithner at 4:00 p.m. today as steve will be, what would your first question to him be? >> my questions would be about dividends and capital gains as they're market related. with the dividends we've seen a tremendous amount of companies bring th
happens, this fiscal cliff as we've been calling it, it will impact their state's economies. according to the ppew report, these states rely on federal money. things like education would be impacted. they're here to put pressure not only on the president but lawmakers up on the hill to get this deal done. >> takes place in about an hour. dan loathian, reporting from th white house. >>> nearly 15 million households rely on food stamps. republicans say it's far too many. it's government assistance out of control. certainly a major theme during the republican primary. >> president obama has been historically the most effective food stamp president in american histor history. >> in light of the continuing controversy over food stamps, new jersey democratic mayor cory book booker will live on food stamps saying, quote, nutrition is not a responsibility of the government. >> as you mentioned this all sort of began as a back and forth on twitter. we'll get to that in detail in a moment. first i want you to look at something that mayor booker posted on his twitter account. it is a grocery stor
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